Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
dura_ace_di2_aug08 )

It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
Just remember all it takes is once so short out system and you are out
a bunch of money. This was my main complaint with the Mektronic
system. The good thing is that Shimano has managed to keep the battery
to a fairly small size.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>
>It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.


Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>> dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>>
>> It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>> or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>> immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>> circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
>
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>
>
>

No, but I've ridden in rain that wasn't much different.

/dave a

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

You mean you've never filled the bathtub with water and ridden rollers in
the tub to give yourself just a little better workout from the extra
resistance?

If you add Mr. Bubble to the water beforehand, well, let's just say that
resistance training doesn't have to be boring.

--
Bill Asher

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:04:07 -0700, dave a
<blkcatREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>>> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>>> dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>>>
>>> It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>>> or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>>> immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>>> circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>>
>>
>> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
>> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>>
>
>No, but I've ridden in rain that wasn't much different.

Oh I didn't realize riding in the rain is almost the same as immersing
the part. Thanks for that info.

On 7 Aug 2008 00:22:58 GMT, William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
>> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>
>You mean you've never filled the bathtub with water and ridden rollers in
>the tub to give yourself just a little better workout from the extra
>resistance?

No, but that does soun fun.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>> dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>>
>> It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>> or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>> immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>> circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
>
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>

I did once. It wasn't on purpose.

Yes I have trained and ridden on several occasions where the
derailleur was immersed in water. There was also several times where
this has happened in the TDF as well.

On Aug 6, 4:41=A0pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21
<hizar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
> >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=3Dtech/2008/features/
> >dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>
> >It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
> >or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
> >immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
> >circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:41:35 GMT, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>>(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>>dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>>
>>It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>>or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>>immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>>circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
>Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
>through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

Dear John,

Until they fixed the storm drains in the City Park, I dunked my bottom
bracket and derailleur a few times every summer after heavy rains.
They finally got tired of hauling dead cars out of the hundred-foot
puddle and pumping all the water into the nearby pond, so things are
better now.

Until they fine-tuned the discharge from the Pueblo Dam, I dunked my
derailleur (but not bottom bracket) for about a week every summer,
just past the "Caution: Path May Be Under Water" sign.

Today and yesterday I went early enough to avoid the thunderstorms and
didn't even get soaked.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In article <ggdk94lg2os5gc69msa8pu5lccjoeieptl@4ax.com>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
> >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
> >dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
> >
> >It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
> >or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
> >immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
> >circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
>
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

Does cyclocross count? If so, yes.

And I say it counts.

BTW, the brains of the outfit is in the front derailer.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Aug 6, 6:37=A0pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
SNIP

> BTW, the brains of the outfit is in the front derailer.

Brains? In cycling? You're joking right?
BTW for a guy with a name like "Cousineau" you've got a funny way of
spelling "derailleur".

Bike, bike, bike, meow,
ABS

<alanstew@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:07063b0b-5922-498c-b961-5516d90ad469@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> BTW for a guy with a name like "Cousineau" you've got a funny way of
> spelling "derailleur".

Since the untimely death of Sheldon Brown a number of us have decided to use
Sheldon's American spelling. Sheldon was very respectful of the French but
still believed that words that are moved into the American/English
vocabulary should be spelled by our rules and not those of another language.

So derailleur is now derailer.

alanstew@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> On Aug 6, 6:37 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SNIP
>
>> BTW, the brains of the outfit is in the front derailer.
>
> Brains? In cycling? You're joking right?
> BTW for a guy with a name like "Cousineau" you've got a funny way of
> spelling "derailleur".
>
This Ryan Cousineau:
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/30a83664f4c83a55?hl=en&dmode=source>?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
�Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken /
She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it�s labeled chicken.�

In article <74gk941cvs1vcagpspvo39pc48jfcr4btk@4ax.com>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:04:07 -0700, dave a
> <blkcatREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
> >>> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
> >>> dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
> >>>
> >>> It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
> >>> or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
> >>> immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
> >>> circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
> >>
> >>
> >> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> >> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
> >>
> >
> >No, but I've ridden in rain that wasn't much different.
>
> Oh I didn't realize riding in the rain is almost the same as immersing
> the part. Thanks for that info.

Imagine the electronics in a continuous 30 kph blast of water drops.
That is worse than immersion.

--
Michael Press

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

A flooded bike trail. There were carp crossing the trail in front
of me. It was above the bottom bracket and in parts a little
higher. It really was the carp's territory and not mine. But
there wasn't an easy way around, so through it I went.

But your point is valid. If I had an expensive electronic
derailleur I'd have turned around.

Bob Schwartz

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <ggdk94lg2os5gc69msa8pu5lccjoeieptl@4ax.com>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizark21@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
>>> (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
>>> dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>>>
>>> It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
>>> or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
>>> immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
>>> circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>>
>> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
>> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>
> Does cyclocross count? If so, yes.

Cross Natz in Napa Valley at the Domaine Chandon vineyard. It never
stopped raining the entire time I was there. The Napa river was
overflowing. When we went to pre-ride the course, parts of it were under
deep running water. You would ride into holes you had no way of knowing
were there and endo. They ended up changing the course for the actual races.

Bret

On Aug 6, 4:41=A0pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:42:01 -0700 (PDT), hizark21 <hizar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
> >(http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=3Dtech/2008/features/
> >dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
>
> >It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
> >or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
> >immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
> >circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
>
> Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?

Luftmensch,

People do that all the time in Socal Masters
Cyclocross:
<http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=3Dphotos/2003/dec03/
celopacdec28/1Mens-40>

http://www.pbase.com/image/24922889

Ben
sugar and spice

In article <aq-dnc1yaPMuwQfVnZ2dnUVZ_oDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> <alanstew@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:07063b0b-5922-498c-b961-5516d90ad469@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > BTW for a guy with a name like "Cousineau" you've got a funny way of
> > spelling "derailleur".

You should hear how I pronounce "Cousineau."

> Since the untimely death of Sheldon Brown a number of us have decided to use
> Sheldon's American spelling. Sheldon was very respectful of the French but
> still believed that words that are moved into the American/English
> vocabulary should be spelled by our rules and not those of another language.

It was more than that. "derailer" already exists in English as a
perfectly cromulent word. Sheldon's discussion of the subject is
definitive:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html

> So derailleur is now derailer.

It always was derailer!

Fighting descriptivism one word at a time,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

In article <bjvmk.16508$xZ.6247@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVE.global.net> wrote:

> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > Have you ever, in a road race or in training for road racing, ridden
> > through a puddle so deep your derailleur was under water?
>
> A flooded bike trail. There were carp crossing the trail in front
> of me. It was above the bottom bracket and in parts a little
> higher. It really was the carp's territory and not mine. But
> there wasn't an easy way around, so through it I went.
>
> But your point is valid. If I had an expensive electronic
> derailleur I'd have turned around.

Well, I suppose you could have shouldered the bike and carried it across. I had to
do that a few years ago up in the Santa Cruz mountains when the side of a mountain
slid down across the road (Eureka Canyon Rd, I believe) a few days earlier. I had to
wash my cleats out in the stream on the other side.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

hizark21 a �crit profondement:

| Shimano Dura ace electronic shifting system
| (http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2008/features/
| dura_ace_di2_aug08 )
|
| It's interesting concept, but I am waiting to see if either Shimano's
| or Campagnolo's electronic rear derailur will withstand a full
| immersion test. This may seem a bit extreme, but there is
| circumstances where a rider is forced to ride through deep puddles.
| Just remember all it takes is once so short out system and you are out
| a bunch of money. This was my main complaint with the Mektronic
| system. The good thing is that Shimano has managed to keep the battery
| to a fairly small size.
|

Mavic tried it 20+ years ago

Mottet and a few others used it but it wasn't a success

--
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-
Wanted: 6 ft of Rope + Vacant Lamp Post
-
Tony Blair was been appointed to the board of investment bank JP
Morgan Chase - at a salary of �2 million a year - just as the
announcement was� made that Northern Rock has sold its portfolio of
lifetime home equity release mortgages for �2.2bn to JP Morgan. A
coincidence, Davey is sure.

The AssHoles don't even try to hide it anymore and flaunt it in the
Simpering News Outlets.