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 | letterman@inval | | NewsGroup User |
| Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 7:47:14 AM |
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| Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again.
I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved here 8 years ago.
I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more.
Is there some measurement that the post office requires?
If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and mailbox will rotate when it gets windy.
Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up with, and then I could raise the post in the ground.
It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they wont deliver on that side.
Anyone have ideas?
thanks
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 | BobK207 <rkazan | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 8:13:28 AM |
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| On Apr 13, 12:47=A0am, letter...@invalid.com wrote: > Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural > mailbox? =A0I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next > to the road. =A0I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the > road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because > the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to > really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. > Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than > once a car has hit it. =A0In the winter, the snow plows have broken off > the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. > I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it > rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. > > I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a > year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved > here 8 years ago. > > I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on > top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. =A0This way I can put the > post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not > overhang the road. =A0This seems like a more sensible method and it's > unlikely the plow will hit it. =A0The only problem is that after I > installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. =A0It > looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. > I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. > > Is there some measurement that the post office requires? > > If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, > or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. =A0I plan to put concrete > around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am > not going to do that. =A0Right now I just packed some rocks around the > post in the hole, so I can get my mail. =A0(Its too cold to make > concrete anyhow). =A0And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and > mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. =A0 > > Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them > with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up > with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. =A0 > > It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. =A0On the other side of the road > it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they > wont deliver on that side. > > Anyone have ideas? > > thanks
checkout
http://www.rcocweb.org/about/answer.asp?FAQID=3D23
Your mailbox is a little low, ask the letter carrier what he/she wold prefer 42 to 48 seems about right.
2" is a bit large & might create "fixed object" hazard. The pole should break away if hit. Consider putting a 2" pipe into the ground (really deep) & then reducing to 1.5" via a bell reducer or bushing & coupling. That way, if hit, the piece the ground will survive & the above ground pipe can be replaced easily.
Your mailbox cannot overhang the road, it must be back away from the pavement edge so it will not be hit. But within reach for the letter carrier.
cheers Bob
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 | Smitty Two <pre | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 8:56:38 AM |
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| In article <r0d304tb3f4kcvqvas9f52jkcbetav8o00@4ax.com>, letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural > mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next > to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the > road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because > the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to > really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. > Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than > once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off > the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. > I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it > rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. > > I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a > year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved > here 8 years ago. > > I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on > top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the > post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not > overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's > unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I > installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It > looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. > I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. > > Is there some measurement that the post office requires? > > If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, > or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete > around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am > not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the > post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make > concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and > mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. > > Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them > with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up > with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. > > It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road > it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they > wont deliver on that side. > > Anyone have ideas? > > thanks
I had an idea. I searched the web and found this in about ten seconds:
"The distance from the bottom lip of the mailbox to the curb, or street is a minimum of 42 inches and a maximum of 48 inches. The front of the box should be 6 - 9 inches from the curb."
I'd treat your post hole like a well. One deep one is better than forty shallow ones. Dig the damn six foot deep hole, and put in a four inch diameter pipe set in a couple of bags of concrete. Put a large orange flag on it that sticks up about three feet above your highest expected snow drift.
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 | letterman@inval | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 10:09:04 AM |
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| On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:13:28 -0700 (PDT), BobK207 <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 13, 12:47?am, letter...@invalid.com wrote: >> Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural >> mailbox? ?I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next >> to the road. ?I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the >> road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because >> the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to >> really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. >> Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than >> once a car has hit it. ?In the winter, the snow plows have broken off >> the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. >> I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it >> rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. >> >> I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a >> year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved >> here 8 years ago. >> >> I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on >> top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. ?This way I can put the >> post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not >> overhang the road. ?This seems like a more sensible method and it's >> unlikely the plow will hit it. ?The only problem is that after I >> installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. ?It >> looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. >> I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. >> >> Is there some measurement that the post office requires? >> >> If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, >> or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. ?I plan to put concrete >> around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am >> not going to do that. ?Right now I just packed some rocks around the >> post in the hole, so I can get my mail. ?(Its too cold to make >> concrete anyhow). ?And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and >> mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. ? >> >> Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them >> with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up >> with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. ? >> >> It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. ?On the other side of the road >> it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they >> wont deliver on that side. >> >> Anyone have ideas? >> >> thanks > >checkout > >http://www.rcocweb.org/about/answer.asp?FAQID=23 > >Your mailbox is a little low, ask the letter carrier what he/she wold >prefer 42 to 48 seems about right. > That seems about right. I think my old one was about 48", but thats just a guess.
>2" is a bit large & might create "fixed object" hazard. The pole >should break away if hit. Consider putting a 2" pipe into the ground >(really deep) & then reducing to 1.5" via a bell reducer or bushing & >coupling. That way, if hit, the piece the ground will survive & the >above ground pipe can be replaced easily. > I know the post should break if hit, but if they hit it now, they went in the ditch. The pipe is 3 feet back from the road, in the ditch, then I have a 3ft. bar welded on coming forward. Maybe I would be best using tires and concrete for the base. There will only be about 8" of pipe in the ground but the weight of the concrete and tires will keep it in place. That way if it gets hit, it just falls over.... ?????
Our county snow plow guys are very careless. From what I saw, the broke 8 out of 10 mailboxes this past winter on my road. Of course I will admit we had a very hard winter with extreme (record) amounts of snow. The snow piles along the road were as high as 12 feet in places. Other people who dont have the ditch like I do, could not even find their mailboxes. One neighbor put a 10 or 12 foot fiberglass pole on his post with an orange flag on top. The plows still broke it off.
>Your mailbox cannot overhang the road, it must be back away from the >pavement edge so it will not be hit. But within reach for the letter >carrier.
I'm surprised I never got a complaint about it hanging in the road. The post was on the very edge of the road, and the entire box was over the road. I guess they figured there is no other place to put it, which is nearly true in my case. Thats why I came up with welding up this thing. I looks something like this drawing. The #### is the box. _______#### | / |/ road | | ditch
Thanks > >cheers >Bob
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 | Boden <Boden@ti | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 1:56:21 PM |
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| letterman@invalid.com wrote: > Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural > mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next > to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the > road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because > the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to > really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. > Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than > once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off > the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. > I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it > rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. > > I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a > year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved > here 8 years ago. > > I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on > top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the > post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not > overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's > unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I > installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It > looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. > I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. > > Is there some measurement that the post office requires? > > If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, > or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete > around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am > not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the > post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make > concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and > mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. > > Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them > with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up > with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. > > It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road > it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they > wont deliver on that side. > > Anyone have ideas? > > thanks The USPS Domestic Mail Manual is silent about any specific height, Rather, it states:
3.2.6 Location
Subject to state laws and regulations, a curbside mailbox must be placed to allow safe and convenient delivery by carriers without leaving their vehicles. The box must be on the right-hand side of the road in the direction of travel of the carriers on any new rural route or highway contract route, in all cases where traffic conditions are dangerous for the carriers to drive to the left to reach the box, or where their doing so would violate traffic laws and regulations.
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/508.htm#wp1091446
Boden
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 | Ann <nntpmail@e | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 2:10:27 PM |
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| On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:56:21 -0400, Boden wrote:
> letterman@invalid.com wrote: >> Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural mailbox? >> I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next to the >> road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the road, but >> in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because the edge of >> the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to really dig in to, >> unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. Besides that, the box is >> actually hanging over the road, and more than once a car has hit it. In >> the winter, the snow plows have broken off the post several times, and >> that just happened this past winter again. I drove a steel t-post next >> to the wooden post and wired it on, but it rained hard the other day and >> I found the mailbox in the ditch again. >> >> I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a year, >> which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved here 8 >> years ago. >> >> I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on top, >> that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the post down >> at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not overhang the road. >> This seems like a more sensible method and it's unlikely the plow will >> hit it. The only problem is that after I installed it, the mailbox is >> only about 40" above the road level. It looks low compared to neighbors >> boxes or what my old wooden post was. I'm only in the ground about 16" >> so I cant raise it any more. >> >> Is there some measurement that the post office requires? >> >> If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, or >> maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete >> around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am not >> going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the post in >> the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make concrete anyhow). >> And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and mailbox will rotate when >> it gets windy. >> >> Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them >> with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up >> with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. >> >> It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road >> it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they >> wont deliver on that side. >> >> Anyone have ideas? >> >> thanks > The USPS Domestic Mail Manual is silent about any specific height, Rather, > it states: > > 3.2.6 Location > > Subject to state laws and regulations, a curbside mailbox must be placed > to allow safe and convenient delivery by carriers without leaving their > vehicles. The box must be on the right-hand side of the road in the > direction of travel of the carriers on any new rural route or highway > contract route, in all cases where traffic conditions are dangerous for > the carriers to drive to the left to reach the box, or where their doing > so would violate traffic laws and regulations. > > http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/508.htm#wp1091446 > > Boden
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/bulletin/2007/html/pb22206/mailboxkit.4.4.html
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 | TD <T_D921a@hus | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 4:25:52 PM |
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| letterman@invalid.com wrote in news:r0d304tb3f4kcvqvas9f52jkcbetav8o00@4ax.com:
> Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural > mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next > to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the > road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because > the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to > really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. > Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than > once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off > the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. > I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it > rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. > > I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a > year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved > here 8 years ago. > > I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on > top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the > post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not > overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's > unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I > installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It > looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. > I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. > > Is there some measurement that the post office requires? > > If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, > or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete > around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am > not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the > post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make > concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and > mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. > > Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them > with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up > with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. > > It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road > it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they > wont deliver on that side. > > Anyone have ideas? > > thanks >
Another long story.
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 | Joe <jbobst4@ao | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 4:39:19 PM |
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| On Apr 13, 2:47=A0am, letter...@invalid.com wrote: > >snip<.
>Anyone have ideas?
Consider some local politicking: Ask your Postmaster if he could intervene with your road commissioner to have a pull-off area constructed for your mailbox. Mention the safety aspects for the delivery carrier, damage to snow plows, etc., etc. That has worked out well in our township for many years. Snotty township road officials found out long that messing with the mail carrier guys caused all kinds of problems, like delayed deliveries, letters misdelivered, etc., all honest mistakes (!). As the complaints multiplied, the pull- off areas were added where there was obvious need. So it really is a win-win situation when everyone cooperates and quits acting like idiots in Congress. HTH
Joe
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 | "SteveB" <pittm | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 5:19:59 PM |
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| <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:r0d304tb3f4kcvqvas9f52jkcbetav8o00@4ax.com... > Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural > mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next > to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the > road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because > the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to > really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. > Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than > once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off > the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. > I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it > rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. > > I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a > year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved > here 8 years ago. > > I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on > top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the > post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not > overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's > unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I > installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It > looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. > I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. > > Is there some measurement that the post office requires? > > If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, > or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete > around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am > not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the > post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make > concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and > mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. > > Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them > with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up > with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. > > It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road > it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they > wont deliver on that side. > > Anyone have ideas? > > thanks
I have one in my neighborhood that is the old style, has the red flag raised, has red letters on the side saying "AIR MAIL" and is atop a 30' pole.
Check with the PO, and they will give you all that. After deciding where it goes, I suggest a strong one for errant drivers or country boys who like to take baseball bats to it. I lined my old aluminum one with plate steel and put it on a 4" pipe with one bys to disguise the pipe. Every year or two there'd be some new damage, and another graduating class learned the hazards of mailbox baseball.
Steve
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 | larry <foo@foob | | NewsGroup User |
| Re: Height for rural mailbox | 4/13/2008 6:40:11 PM |
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| TD wrote:
> letterman@invalid.com wrote in > news:r0d304tb3f4kcvqvas9f52jkcbetav8o00@4ax.com: > > >>Does anyone know what the height is supposed to be for a rural >>mailbox? I live on a rural gravel road and there is a deep ditch next >>to the road. I originally put a wooden post right on the edge of the >>road, but in summer the box just falls over after heavy rains because >>the edge of the road to ditch is so steep that there is nothing to >>really dig in to, unless I put the post hole about 6 feet deep. >>Besides that, the box is actually hanging over the road, and more than >>once a car has hit it. In the winter, the snow plows have broken off >>the post several times, and that just happened this past winter again. >>I drove a steel t-post next to the wooden post and wired it on, but it >>rained hard the other day and I found the mailbox in the ditch again. >> >>I'm completely fed up with fixing that damn thing about 5 times a >>year, which means I have now fixed it around 40 times since I moved >>here 8 years ago. >> >>I just took an 8 foot piece of 2" steel pipe and welded a shelf on >>top, that sticks out 3 feet past the post. This way I can put the >>post down at the bottom of the ditch, and the mailbox will not >>overhang the road. This seems like a more sensible method and it's >>unlikely the plow will hit it. The only problem is that after I >>installed it, the mailbox is only about 40" above the road level. It >>looks low compared to neighbors boxes or what my old wooden post was. >>I'm only in the ground about 16" so I cant raise it any more. >> >>Is there some measurement that the post office requires? >> >>If it's too low, I'll have to either weld on more pipe at the bottom, >>or maybe get a larger pipe and make a sleeve. I plan to put concrete >>around the post, but until I know the acceptable height limits I am >>not going to do that. Right now I just packed some rocks around the >>post in the hole, so I can get my mail. (Its too cold to make >>concrete anyhow). And I suppose if I make a sleeve, the post and >>mailbox will rotate when it gets windy. >> >>Another thought is to put some old tires around the post and fill them >>with concrete, which so far seems to be the best idea I can come up >>with, and then I could raise the post in the ground. >> >>It's just a bad place to put a mailbox. On the other side of the road >>it would be easy since there is no deep ditch, but the P.O. said they >>wont deliver on that side. >> >>Anyone have ideas? >> >>thanks >> > > > Another long story.
a lot better than the two liners that don't give enough detail to thoughtfully answer the question.
but you can always look at the line count, if it's over 4 lines skip over it
i thought that would have been obvious.
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