I see in the paper that there were food riots in Port Au Prince, Haiti
and Mahalla El-Kobra, Egypt this week.


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I'm glad I can plant a garden.

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My dad was a farm boy during the Great Depression, he said there were plenty
of food to eat while people in the cities were not as fortunate.

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>>>Haiti
>>> and Mahalla El-Kobra, Egypt this week.
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> My dad was a farm boy during the Great Depression, he said there were
> plenty of food to eat while people in the cities were not as
> fortunate.
>

My grandfather was a young man at that time. He said they never went
hungry. The only things they didn't have many of were the things they
had to buy.

In article <r8ydnd4Ym9aRo5jVnZ2dnUVZ_oesnZ2d@comcast.com>,
noreplay@nothome.net ( Frank) says...

> My dad was a farm boy during the Great Depression, he said there were plenty
> of food to eat while people in the cities were not as fortunate.

There were a lot fewer people to feed back then. The US population was
only about 175 million, as opposed to over 300 million today. There
were also farms where nothing could be grown. If there is another
prolonged drought in the midwest as severe as the 1930s, much of the
world will go hungry.

There is no grain surplus left. We can hope for the rains to return to
Australia, which will ease the supply situation a bit. The Brazilians
are rapidly clearing new land for food production. High prices are
rejuvenating European agricultural production. However, we have reached
the point where only high input, industrial agriculture will feed the
world's population, and the price of inputs (fuel and fertilizer) have
risen to the point that a drop in prices will mean production will shut
down.

The way the population curve is going, we need to find food for between
3 and 6 billion more people in the next few decades. This with the
ocean fisheries collapsing, and the climate of the earth possibly
shifting. It looks like a tricky time ahead.

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Frank <noreplay@nothome.net> writes
>Linked directly to run away inflation and people on the edge of poverty
>where they no longer afford it. Changing climate conditions, sky high fuel
>prices, agriculture production from food to boifuel, devaluation of
>financial institutions, government policies and inept politicians all played
>a part. So far riots have spread to more than 31 countries, including parts
>or Africa and Asia, according to CNBC.

The main reason is a decade of very low farmgate prices leading to
reduction in production together with the removal of farm subsidy
directly on production. This has lead to higher world prices, which is
EXACTLY what most NGOs were asking for last year.

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Larry Caldwell wrote:
> I see in the paper that there were food riots in Port Au Prince, Haiti
> and Mahalla El-Kobra, Egypt this week.
>
>
Article here about the drought in Oz:
http://tinyurl.com/6ghnjf

It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in Australia.


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In article <1208397910_141@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
$br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...

> It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in Australia.

In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:15:21 -0700, Larry Caldwell wrote:

> In article <1208397910_141@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
> $br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...
>
>> It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in Australia.
>
> In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/ers/89001/TABLE08.xls
USDA Rice Yearbook Tables - State and U.S. rice production by class
2007 - Total grains: (1,000 cwt)

Arkansas 95,400
California 43,420
Louisiana 23,313
Mississippi 13,892
Missouri 12,104
Texas 9,782

Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> writes
>http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/ers/89001/TABLE08.xls USDA Rice
>Yearbook Tables - State and U.S. rice production by class 2007 - Total
>grains:

Or in Mtons

Arkansas 4.8
California 2.2
Louisiana 1.2
Mississippi 0.7
Missouri 0.6
Texas 0.5

Total 9.9

Other countries (2004)
China 124
India 92
Indonesia 33

etc etc

I must admit I thought the US produced more than that.

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Larry Caldwell <firstnamelastinitial@peaksky.com> wrote in
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> In article <1208397910_141@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman
> <""dh0496\"@ine $br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman
> <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...
>
>> It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in
>> Australia.
>
> In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.

and it's all unproven GM modified rice contaminated, because
the experimental rice "got away" & crosspollanated
promiscuously. there is no non-contaminated rice grown in the
US available. the USDA did a fast push-through of permission
to sell the rice (without testing) because there was no time
to test with the entire production contaminated.

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Larry Caldwell wrote:
> In article <1208397910_141@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
> $br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...
>
>> It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in Australia.
>
> In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.
>
Texas doesn't grow as much rice as it used to. The fields have been planted with McMansion seeds.

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enigma wrote:

> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
[....]
> >
> > In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.
>
> and it's all unproven GM modified rice contaminated, because
> the experimental rice "got away" & crosspollanated
> promiscuously. there is no non-contaminated rice grown in the
> US available. the USDA did a fast push-through of permission
> to sell the rice (without testing) because there was no time
> to test with the entire production contaminated.
>

when china takes over and we are all sent to reeducation labor
camps and are fed one bowl of rice a day, I hope they get some
chinese people to cook it or at least teach those who do how to.

to do it proper one needs the BobCo rice steamer. boiling just
don't make good rice.

In article <fu7f7r$1616$3@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>, ElmoHateSpam@noSpam4U.org
(Elmo) says...
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
> > In article <1208397910_141@isp.n>, Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine
> > $br#as&ka.com"> (Dean Hoffman <""dh0496\"@ine$br#as&ka.com">) says...
> >
> >> It never would've occurred to me that rice was grown in Australia.
> >
> > In the USA, Texas is the major rice producing state.
> >
> Texas doesn't grow as much rice as it used to. The fields have been planted with McMansion seeds.

Ahah. My information was out of date. I knew about the millions of
acres that had been lost to urban sprawl, but didn't check for
consequences.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:06:49 +0100, Oz wrote:

> Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> writes
>>http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/ers/89001/TABLE08.xls

>> USDA Rice >>Yearbook Tables - State and U.S. rice production by class
>> 2007 - Total >>grains:
>
> Or in Mtons
>
> Arkansas 4.8
> California 2.2
> Louisiana 1.2
> Mississippi 0.7
> Missouri 0.6
> Texas 0.5
>
> Total 9.9
>
> Other countries (2004)
> China 124
> India 92
> Indonesia 33
>
> etc etc
>
> I must admit I thought the US produced more than that.

The economics of rice growing in the U.S. is dependent on federal
subsidies. So, concern about programs possibly not being renewed could
impact rice land disposition/use.

"Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm" - 7/2/2006
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/01/AR2006070100962.html

"EL CAMPO, Tex. -- Even though Donald R. Matthews put his sprawling new
residence in the heart of rice country, he is no farmer. He is a
67-year-old asphalt contractor who wanted to build a dream house for his
wife of 40 years.

Yet under a federal agriculture program approved by Congress, his 18-acre
suburban lot receives about $1,300 in annual "direct payments," because
years ago the land was used to grow rice. ...

"I don't agree with the government's policy," said Matthews, who wanted to
give the money back but was told it would just go to other landowners.
"They give all of this money to landowners who don't even farm, while real
farmers can't afford to get started. It's wrong.""

"Rice Subsidies in United States" - EWG
http://farm.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.php?fips=00000&yr=2006&progcode=rice&page=states

In article <QshLz7AJcvBIFwjo@farmeroz.port995.com>,
Oz@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) says...

> I must admit I thought the US produced more than that.

We used to. Nowadays we use the water for golf courses and lawns, re
Elmo's "McMansion Seed" comment.

From the link that Dean posted, It looks like Australia's rice
production will not recover after the drought. It looks like a
substantial portion of the human race needs to look for a new staple.
It looks like potatoes are leading the pack.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/16/business/potato.php

There can be drawbacks to that. Ask the Irish.

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"Jim" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> when china takes over and we are all sent to reeducation labor
> camps and are fed one bowl of rice a day, I hope they get some
> chinese people to cook it or at least teach those who do how to.
>
> to do it proper one needs the BobCo rice steamer. boiling just
> don't make good rice.

You just don't know how to cook rice.

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> "Jim" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
>> when china takes over and we are all sent to reeducation labor
>> camps and are fed one bowl of rice a day, I hope they get some
>> chinese people to cook it or at least teach those who do how to.
>>
>> to do it proper one needs the BobCo rice steamer. boiling just
>> don't make good rice.
>
> You just don't know how to cook rice.

I was a participant in a thread not long ago on cooking rice.
It absolutely floored me that so many people had so much trouble
cooking it on a stove top the traditional way.
Even the most modest of cooks shouldn't be able to mess up
the basic recipe of 2:1 water/rice-lowest simmer heat for 20 mins.
with the pot lid on.
It's practically foolproof.

Someone once gave me a rice cooker as a gift. I gave
the damn thing away after trying it twice.

In article <Xns9A84DACF6B22D7544444@130.133.1.18>, Terri@micron.net
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> Even the most modest of cooks shouldn't be able to mess up
> the basic recipe of 2:1 water/rice-lowest simmer heat for 20 mins.
> with the pot lid on.
> It's practically foolproof.

Give fried rice a try. You just fry the dry rice before adding water.
I didn't have any pork, to make pork fried rice, so I used bacon
instead. I ended up with kind of a ranch rice. Cook the bacon first
and pour most of the fat off. It doesn't take much.

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"Terri" <Terri@micron.net> wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in
>> "Jim" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> when china takes over and we are all sent to reeducation labor
>>> camps and are fed one bowl of rice a day, I hope they get some
>>> chinese people to cook it or at least teach those who do how to.
>>>
>>> to do it proper one needs the BobCo rice steamer. boiling just
>>> don't make good rice.
>>
>> You just don't know how to cook rice.
>
> I was a participant in a thread not long ago on cooking rice.
> It absolutely floored me that so many people had so much trouble
> cooking it on a stove top the traditional way.
> Even the most modest of cooks shouldn't be able to mess up
> the basic recipe of 2:1 water/rice-lowest simmer heat for 20 mins.
> with the pot lid on.
> It's practically foolproof.

I agree. I cook it two ways depending on what I'm going to do with it. One
is the absorbtion way and the other is the boiled way.

> Someone once gave me a rice cooker as a gift. I gave
> the damn thing away after trying it twice.

:-)) It's not one of the pieces of domestic kit that I want cluttering up
my space either. I wouldn't mind an ice cream maker, but that is one of the
few new pieces of technology I want. I find more and more that I'm doing
things by hand or using manual tools (like the mouli) and bothering less and
less with machinery. I gave away my bread making machine because I prefer
to do it by hand - less mess and cleaning up and a better loaf of bread.