http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html

With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
their choice of candidate known by Friday =97 and thus end the now
hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
Clinton.

The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination=92s
victory to Barack Obama, who=92s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
the party=92s nomination.

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn.,
issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:

=93The voters have spoken,=94 they said, adding later, =93Democrats must now=

turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
united.=94

The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the superdelegates
to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
being forced by the Friday deadline.

The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
the general election come Nov. 4.

In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party=92s presumptive nominee,
Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

On Jun 4, 6:20=A0am, rrtop...@excite.com wrote:
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>
> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
> their choice of candidate known by Friday =97 and thus end the now
> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
> Clinton.
>
> The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
> shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination=92s
> victory to Barack Obama, who=92s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
> the party=92s nomination.
>
> Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
> Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
> Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn.,
> issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:
>
> =93The voters have spoken,=94 they said, adding later, =93Democrats must n=
ow
> turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
> urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
> decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
> united.=94
>
> The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the superdelegates
> to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
> effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
> consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
> voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
> being forced by the Friday deadline.
>
> The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
> any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
> millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
> the general election come Nov. 4.
>
> In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
> unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
> reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party=92s presumptive nominee,
> Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

I just cannot believe how recalcitrant she is being. The writing was
on the wall a long time ago. I suspect a lot of her "I won the
majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
have been out of the running half way through the process.

I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on the VP decision. She
hasn't said it but she will jump at it if offered.

My hope is that she isn't VP, loses her seat in the next election and
then we will never, ever hear of her or him again.

Harry K

rrtopper@excite.com wrote:
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html=

>=20
> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
> their choice of candidate known by Friday =97 and thus end the now
> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
> Clinton.
>=20

Clinton has the potential for growth. On the campaign trail she went=20
from being a boring speaker to a gifted orator. Now she needs to grow=20
up and take it like a man. Same with her supporters.



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zzpat wrote:
> rrtopper@excite.com wrote:
>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>>
>> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
>> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
>> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
>> their choice of candidate known by Friday ? and thus end the now
>> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
>> Clinton.
>>
>
> Clinton has the potential for growth. On the campaign trail she went
> from being a boring speaker to a gifted orator. Now she needs to grow
> up and take it like a man. Same with her supporters.
>

We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process. She
won the popular vote in the states that would win the election. She won
the states that would put her in the White House. And now she's forced
to concede to Obama just because he played the nominating game numbers
to his advantage. The DNC has screwed themselves out of the election.

Obama has proven that he will lie, say and do anything to get the
nomination. He will ultimately fail to win the election because the
repubs are smart enough to use all of his gross errors and horrible
statements against him.

I cannot support that liar.

"Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
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> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process. She
> won the popular vote in the states that would win the election. She won
> the states that would put her in the White House. And now she's forced to
> concede to Obama just because he played the nominating game numbers to his
> advantage.

Isn't it delicious? All this from the Party that was shrieking eight and
four years ago to "let every vote be counted!"

So much for their pretensions to democracy.

On Jun 4, 10:44 am, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect a lot of her "I won the
> majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
> because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
> circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
> have been out of the running half way through the process.

John Edwards - Line 1

"Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
> news:V7U1k.4280$co7.4131@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process. She
>> won the popular vote in the states that would win the election. She won
>> the states that would put her in the White House. And now she's forced
>> to concede to Obama just because he played the nominating game numbers to
>> his advantage.
>
> Isn't it delicious? All this from the Party that was shrieking eight and
> four years ago to "let every vote be counted!"
>
> So much for their pretensions to democracy.

Heck, one of the members of the Rules committee who considered
the re-instatement of FL and MI delegates said the following with
a straight face and no detectable irony while urging the crowd to
calm down and accept the (undesirable to her and them) results:

"If you love Democracy...this is the next best thing".

That's the Democrats for you. Next best thing.

>
> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.

Hillary didn't have the resources to campaign in every state so she
picked a few and punted. Then she borrowed her campaign millions of
dollars so she could continue her attacks on our next president.

The anger you feel for Obama is misplaced. The numbers game that you
object to are what the rules mandate...the same rules that Clinton was
finally forced to follow.

Had Clinton not supported Bush's war for so many years and had there not
been an Obama, who knows, we might be wearing each others shoes but as
it is, she did support Bush's war even after she knew it was based on
lies and there's not a decent liberal in the country who'd vote for that
lie...a lie that destroyed a country and cost the lives of hundreds of
thousands and there is an Obama.

Your moral indignation is misplaced. Put it on the shoulders of Hillary
Clinton where it belongs.



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Herb Martin wrote:
> "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote in message
> news:2sOdnaUBBcp0i9XVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:V7U1k.4280$co7.4131@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process. She
>>> won the popular vote in the states that would win the election. She won
>>> the states that would put her in the White House. And now she's forced
>>> to concede to Obama just because he played the nominating game numbers to
>>> his advantage.
>> Isn't it delicious? All this from the Party that was shrieking eight and
>> four years ago to "let every vote be counted!"
>>
>> So much for their pretensions to democracy.
>
> Heck, one of the members of the Rules committee who considered
> the re-instatement of FL and MI delegates said the following with
> a straight face and no detectable irony while urging the crowd to
> calm down and accept the (undesirable to her and them) results:
>
> "If you love Democracy...this is the next best thing".
>
> That's the Democrats for you. Next best thing.
>
>

The GOP stripped delegates from a number of states...they didn't even
give them half a vote. The two partys run the primaries and they get to
make the rules.


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"Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
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> zzpat wrote:
>> rrtopper@excite.com wrote:
>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>>>
snip
>
> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process. She
> won the popular vote in the states that would win the election. She won
> the states that would put her in the White House. And now she's forced to
> concede to Obama just because he played the nominating game numbers to his
> advantage. The DNC has screwed themselves out of the election.
>
Apparently Michael Pfleger's comment should apply to you as well as to the
Clintoons.

"zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Herb Martin wrote:
>> "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote in message
>> news:2sOdnaUBBcp0i9XVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
>>> news:V7U1k.4280$co7.4131@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>>>> She won the popular vote in the states that would win the election.
>>>> She won the states that would put her in the White House. And now
>>>> she's forced to concede to Obama just because he played the
>>>> nominating game numbers to his advantage.
>>> Isn't it delicious? All this from the Party that was shrieking
>>> eight and four years ago to "let every vote be counted!"
>>>
>>> So much for their pretensions to democracy.
>>
>> Heck, one of the members of the Rules committee who considered
>> the re-instatement of FL and MI delegates said the following with
>> a straight face and no detectable irony while urging the crowd to
>> calm down and accept the (undesirable to her and them) results:
>>
>> "If you love Democracy...this is the next best thing".
>>
>> That's the Democrats for you. Next best thing.
>
> The GOP stripped delegates from a number of states...they didn't even
> give them half a vote. The two partys run the primaries and they get
> to make the rules.
>

That's why the parties should pay for the primaries, not the peoples'
tax dollars.

"zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>
> Hillary didn't have the resources to campaign in every state so she
> picked a few and punted. Then she borrowed her campaign millions of
> dollars so she could continue her attacks on our next president.
>
> The anger you feel for Obama is misplaced. The numbers game that you
> object to are what the rules mandate...the same rules that Clinton was
> finally forced to follow.
>
> Had Clinton not supported Bush's war for so many years and had there
> not been an Obama, who knows, we might be wearing each others shoes
> but as it is, she did support Bush's war even after she knew it was
> based on lies and there's not a decent liberal in the country who'd
> vote for that lie...a lie that destroyed a country and cost the lives
> of hundreds of thousands and there is an Obama.
>
> Your moral indignation is misplaced. Put it on the shoulders of
> Hillary Clinton where it belongs.
>
>

If Obama is elected President our Republic may not be able to come
through unscathed. It probably will. We did survive the Clinton
debacle.

NapalmHeart wrote:
> "zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g2a2jt1o9g@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> Herb Martin wrote:
>>> "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote in message
>>> news:2sOdnaUBBcp0i9XVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> "Chip Thomas" <spamanot@gmail.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:V7U1k.4280$co7.4131@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>>>>> She won the popular vote in the states that would win the election.
>>>>> She won the states that would put her in the White House. And now
>>>>> she's forced to concede to Obama just because he played the
>>>>> nominating game numbers to his advantage.
>>>> Isn't it delicious? All this from the Party that was shrieking
>>>> eight and four years ago to "let every vote be counted!"
>>>>
>>>> So much for their pretensions to democracy.
>>> Heck, one of the members of the Rules committee who considered
>>> the re-instatement of FL and MI delegates said the following with
>>> a straight face and no detectable irony while urging the crowd to
>>> calm down and accept the (undesirable to her and them) results:
>>>
>>> "If you love Democracy...this is the next best thing".
>>>
>>> That's the Democrats for you. Next best thing.
>> The GOP stripped delegates from a number of states...they didn't even
>> give them half a vote. The two partys run the primaries and they get
>> to make the rules.
>>
>
> That's why the parties should pay for the primaries, not the peoples'
> tax dollars.
>
>
AND, if the people are paying for one or two parties' primaries, then
ALL the parties' primaries should be paid for. As it is now (in most
states) only the two branches of the Repugnicrat party get someone else
to foot the bill for them. Constitution, Libertarian, Green, etc. have
to jump through hoops to get primary representation.

Even better would be to get rid of all party-centric participation in
elections and legislative bodies. It's a whole lot harder to influence
a few hundred individuals than a few party leaders so the bribe disguised
as a campaign contribution would be much less effective.

A pox on both their houses.

--
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constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you
going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it?
Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party?
Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience
into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?"
- Mark Twain

NapalmHeart wrote:
> "zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g2a2f10o9g@enews2.newsguy.com...
>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>> Hillary didn't have the resources to campaign in every state so she
>> picked a few and punted. Then she borrowed her campaign millions of
>> dollars so she could continue her attacks on our next president.
>>
>> The anger you feel for Obama is misplaced. The numbers game that you
>> object to are what the rules mandate...the same rules that Clinton was
>> finally forced to follow.
>>
>> Had Clinton not supported Bush's war for so many years and had there
>> not been an Obama, who knows, we might be wearing each others shoes
>> but as it is, she did support Bush's war even after she knew it was
>> based on lies and there's not a decent liberal in the country who'd
>> vote for that lie...a lie that destroyed a country and cost the lives
>> of hundreds of thousands and there is an Obama.
>>
>> Your moral indignation is misplaced. Put it on the shoulders of
>> Hillary Clinton where it belongs.
>>
>>
>
> If Obama is elected President our Republic may not be able to come
> through unscathed. It probably will. We did survive the Clinton
> debacle.
>
>
If the republic survives 8 years of the unitary executive unscathed
it will probably survive a return to effective democracy.

--
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that cost is often paid in the currency of human pain and misery.

"Elmo" <ElmoHateSpam@noSpam4U.org> wrote in message
news:g2brp4$rjk$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...
> NapalmHeart wrote:
>> "zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g2a2f10o9g@enews2.newsguy.com...
>>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>>> Hillary didn't have the resources to campaign in every state so she
>>> picked a few and punted. Then she borrowed her campaign millions of
>>> dollars so she could continue her attacks on our next president.
>>>
>>> The anger you feel for Obama is misplaced. The numbers game that you
>>> object to are what the rules mandate...the same rules that Clinton
>>> was finally forced to follow.
>>>
>>> Had Clinton not supported Bush's war for so many years and had there
>>> not been an Obama, who knows, we might be wearing each others shoes
>>> but as it is, she did support Bush's war even after she knew it was
>>> based on lies and there's not a decent liberal in the country who'd
>>> vote for that lie...a lie that destroyed a country and cost the
>>> lives of hundreds of thousands and there is an Obama.
>>>
>>> Your moral indignation is misplaced. Put it on the shoulders of
>>> Hillary Clinton where it belongs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If Obama is elected President our Republic may not be able to come
>> through unscathed. It probably will. We did survive the Clinton
>> debacle.
> If the republic survives 8 years of the unitary executive unscathed
> it will probably survive a return to effective democracy.
>
Effective democracy doesn't equal Obama. McCain wouldn't be much
better, but at least he would be better.

"Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e0ae439a-4827-4006-9563-9604c79c7deb@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 4, 6:20 am, rrtop...@excite.com wrote:
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>
> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
> their choice of candidate known by Friday ? and thus end the now
> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
> Clinton.
>
> The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
> shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination?s
> victory to Barack Obama, who?s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
> the party?s nomination.
>
> Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
> Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
> Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn.,
> issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:
>
> ?The voters have spoken,? they said, adding later, ?Democrats must now
> turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
> urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
> decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
> united.?
>
> The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the superdelegates
> to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
> effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
> consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
> voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
> being forced by the Friday deadline.
>
> The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
> any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
> millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
> the general election come Nov. 4.
>
> In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
> unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
> reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party?s presumptive nominee,
> Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

I just cannot believe how recalcitrant she is being. The writing was
on the wall a long time ago. I suspect a lot of her "I won the
majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
have been out of the running half way through the process.

I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on the VP decision. She
hasn't said it but she will jump at it if offered.

My hope is that she isn't VP, loses her seat in the next election and
then we will never, ever hear of her or him again.

Harry K

Right. Those eight years of peace and prosperity were really hard to
weather. These past 7 1/4 years have been a pure joy.

"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e0ae439a-4827-4006-9563-9604c79c7deb@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 4, 6:20 am, rrtop...@excite.com wrote:
>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>>
>> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
>> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
>> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
>> their choice of candidate known by Friday ? and thus end the now
>> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
>> Clinton.
>>
>> The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
>> shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination?s
>> victory to Barack Obama, who?s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
>> the party?s nomination.
>>
>> Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
>> Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
>> Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn.,
>> issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:
>>
>> ?The voters have spoken,? they said, adding later, ?Democrats must now
>> turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
>> urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
>> decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
>> united.?
>>
>> The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the superdelegates
>> to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
>> effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
>> consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
>> voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
>> being forced by the Friday deadline.
>>
>> The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
>> any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
>> millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
>> the general election come Nov. 4.
>>
>> In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
>> unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
>> reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party?s presumptive nominee,
>> Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
>
> I just cannot believe how recalcitrant she is being. The writing was
> on the wall a long time ago. I suspect a lot of her "I won the
> majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
> because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
> circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
> have been out of the running half way through the process.
>
> I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on the VP decision. She
> hasn't said it but she will jump at it if offered.
>
> My hope is that she isn't VP, loses her seat in the next election and
> then we will never, ever hear of her or him again.
>
> Harry K
>
> Right. Those eight years of peace and prosperity were really hard to
> weather. These past 7 1/4 years have been a pure joy.
And exactly WTF does 8 years of BJ Clinton have to do with Hillary's
potential performance in the job?

"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e0ae439a-4827-4006-9563-9604c79c7deb@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 4, 6:20 am, rrtop...@excite.com wrote:
>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>>
>> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
>> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
>> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
>> their choice of candidate known by Friday ? and thus end the now
>> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
>> Clinton.
>>
>> The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
>> shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination?s
>> victory to Barack Obama, who?s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
>> the party?s nomination.
>>
>> Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
>> Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
>> Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors
>> Assn.,
>> issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:
>>
>> ?The voters have spoken,? they said, adding later, ?Democrats must
>> now
>> turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
>> urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
>> decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
>> united.?
>>
>> The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the
>> superdelegates
>> to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
>> effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
>> consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
>> voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
>> being forced by the Friday deadline.
>>
>> The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
>> any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
>> millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
>> the general election come Nov. 4.
>>
>> In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
>> unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
>> reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party?s presumptive nominee,
>> Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
>
> I just cannot believe how recalcitrant she is being. The writing was
> on the wall a long time ago. I suspect a lot of her "I won the
> majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
> because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
> circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
> have been out of the running half way through the process.
>
> I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on the VP decision. She
> hasn't said it but she will jump at it if offered.
>
> My hope is that she isn't VP, loses her seat in the next election and
> then we will never, ever hear of her or him again.
>
> Harry K
>
> Right. Those eight years of peace and prosperity were really hard to
> weather. These past 7 1/4 years have been a pure joy.

The peace and prosperity of the Clinton years were about as real as
Bill's fidelity.

Wayne wrote:
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Gev2k.29$rL6.28@newsfe11.phx...
>> "Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0ae439a-4827-4006-9563-9604c79c7deb@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 4, 6:20 am, rrtop...@excite.com wrote:
>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html
>>>
>>> With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic
>>> Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the
>>> pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make
>>> their choice of candidate known by Friday ? and thus end the now
>>> hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary
>>> Clinton.
>>>
>>> The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue
>>> shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination?s
>>> victory to Barack Obama, who?s gained sufficient delegates to clinch
>>> the party?s nomination.
>>>
>>> Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House
>>> Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West
>>> Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn.,
>>> issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:
>>>
>>> ?The voters have spoken,? they said, adding later, ?Democrats must now
>>> turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are
>>> urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their
>>> decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand
>>> united.?
>>>
>>> The carefully-worded statement, which does not urge the superdelegates
>>> to go one way or the other, is a clear step to force an end to the
>>> effort by Clinton, who said Tuesday she would take a few days to
>>> consider her options and protect the voices of the nearly 18 million
>>> voters who cast ballots for her in recent months. Her hand is now
>>> being forced by the Friday deadline.
>>>
>>> The move is also a sly one politically, since it leaves Obama free of
>>> any appearance of forcing Clinton to quit and, thus, alienating her
>>> millions of supporters that the Illinois senator will badly need in
>>> the general election come Nov. 4.
>>>
>>> In exit polls throughout the just-concluded primary season, an
>>> unusually high number of Clinton voters indicated they were likely to
>>> reject Obama and vote for the Republican Party?s presumptive nominee,
>>> Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
>> I just cannot believe how recalcitrant she is being. The writing was
>> on the wall a long time ago. I suspect a lot of her "I won the
>> majority of the popular vote" was due to Democrats voting for her
>> because they wouldn't vote for an African-Amercan in any
>> circumstances. Given a race between two whites, I suspect she would
>> have been out of the running half way through the process.
>>
>> I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on the VP decision. She
>> hasn't said it but she will jump at it if offered.
>>
>> My hope is that she isn't VP, loses her seat in the next election and
>> then we will never, ever hear of her or him again.
>>
>> Harry K
>>
>> Right. Those eight years of peace and prosperity were really hard to
>> weather. These past 7 1/4 years have been a pure joy.
> And exactly WTF does 8 years of BJ Clinton have to do with Hillary's
> potential performance in the job?
>
>

I'm not sure, but I think it's at least as relevant as what
Rev. Wright said in church.


--
"When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral
constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you
going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it?
Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party?
Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience
into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?"
- Mark Twain

NapalmHeart wrote:
> "Elmo" <ElmoHateSpam@noSpam4U.org> wrote in message
> news:g2brp4$rjk$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu...
>> NapalmHeart wrote:
>>> "zzpat" <zzpatrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g2a2f10o9g@enews2.newsguy.com...
>>>>> We should be really upset that Hillary was shut out of the process.
>>>> Hillary didn't have the resources to campaign in every state so she
>>>> picked a few and punted. Then she borrowed her campaign millions of
>>>> dollars so she could continue her attacks on our next president.
>>>>
>>>> The anger you feel for Obama is misplaced. The numbers game that you
>>>> object to are what the rules mandate...the same rules that Clinton
>>>> was finally forced to follow.
>>>>
>>>> Had Clinton not supported Bush's war for so many years and had there
>>>> not been an Obama, who knows, we might be wearing each others shoes
>>>> but as it is, she did support Bush's war even after she knew it was
>>>> based on lies and there's not a decent liberal in the country who'd
>>>> vote for that lie...a lie that destroyed a country and cost the
>>>> lives of hundreds of thousands and there is an Obama.
>>>>
>>>> Your moral indignation is misplaced. Put it on the shoulders of
>>>> Hillary Clinton where it belongs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If Obama is elected President our Republic may not be able to come
>>> through unscathed. It probably will. We did survive the Clinton
>>> debacle.
>> If the republic survives 8 years of the unitary executive unscathed
>> it will probably survive a return to effective democracy.
>>
> Effective democracy doesn't equal Obama. McCain wouldn't be much
> better, but at least he would be better.
>
>
Prediction is difficult, especially about the future.

--
Half the harm that is done in this world
Is due to people who want to feel important
They don't mean to do harm-
But the harm does not interest them.
Or they do not see it, or they justify it
Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle
To think well of themselves.