http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html

"The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C. towns,
including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his property
or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
....
The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between the
area's rapid growth and its rural past.

Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought the six
acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were farmland
and pastures."

-------
The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following url
and
(1) Searching on: firearms
OR
(2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.

http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33

Ann wrote:
>
> http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html
>
> "The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C. towns,
> including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
> self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his property
> or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
> ...
> The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between the
> area's rapid growth and its rural past.
>
> Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
> machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought the six
> acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were farmland
> and pastures."
>
> -------
> The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following url
> and
> (1) Searching on: firearms
> OR
> (2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.
>
> http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33

whenever a region converts itself into a giant refugee camp
for the escapees of another regions failed economic policies
certain concessions are going to have to be made.

in this case we could mention water and the recently imposed
restrictions concerning its usage. or we could discuss the
concerns some have for where their children are going to be
schooled and how temporary trailers are simply unacceptable
leading up to the mandate some seek to impose concerning
increasing local property taxation.

some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>

"Jim" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:47F51EE3.1A35184F@bellsouth.net...
> Ann wrote:
>>
>> http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html
>>
>> "The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C.
>> towns,
>> including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
>> self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his
>> property
>> or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
>> ...
>> The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between
>> the
>> area's rapid growth and its rural past.
>>
>> Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
>> machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought
>> the six
>> acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were
>> farmland
>> and pastures."
>>
>> -------
>> The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following
>> url
>> and
>> (1) Searching on: firearms
>> OR
>> (2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.
>>
>> http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33
>
> whenever a region converts itself into a giant refugee camp
> for the escapees of another regions failed economic policies
> certain concessions are going to have to be made.
>
> in this case we could mention water and the recently imposed
> restrictions concerning its usage. or we could discuss the
> concerns some have for where their children are going to be
> schooled and how temporary trailers are simply unacceptable
> leading up to the mandate some seek to impose concerning
> increasing local property taxation.
>
> some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
> the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>

Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.

"NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOSPAM@iserv.net> writes:
> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.

That is a problem when people arrive and demand that circumstances
change to their advantage, to the disadvantage of those already there.

The more classic example is for people who move to a subdivision near an
airport and then complain that the air traffic is too loud. So why did
they move there?

In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms practice
shouldn't move to rural settings where such practice is common and then
protest the supposed unsafe environment.

"Karl Kleinpaste" <invalid@kleinpaste.org> wrote

>> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.
>
> That is a problem when people arrive and demand that circumstances
> change to their advantage, to the disadvantage of those already there.
>
> The more classic example is for people who move to a subdivision near an
> airport and then complain that the air traffic is too loud. So why did
> they move there?
>
> In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms practice
> shouldn't move to rural settings where such practice is common and then
> protest the supposed unsafe environment.

In Soviet Cary, town annexes YOU!

--Tedward

Edward M. Kennedy wrote:

> Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>
> >> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.
> >
> > That is a problem when people arrive and demand that circumstances
> > change to their advantage, to the disadvantage of those already there.

that's why I wish yousguys had not been forced to relocate. it was
yousguys natural tendency to change things to suit yourself that coined
the phrase "we don't care how you did it back up north."



> >
> > The more classic example is for people who move to a subdivision near an
> > airport and then complain that the air traffic is too loud. So why did
> > they move there?

scalawag realtor had access to flight schedules and knew when
to show the houses???

> >
> > In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms practice
> > shouldn't move to rural settings where such practice is common and then
> > protest the supposed unsafe environment.

before I was shut down, just a few shots and the switch board to
911 was overloaded by panicked newcomers screaming help!
help! help! help help help!!!


>
> In Soviet Cary, town annexes YOU!

LOL sadly true euphemism, but still pretty funny.
but we've already covered how the NC govern-0-mites
have the laws allowing forced annexations.

Jim <jimled@bellsouth.net> writes:
> that's why I wish yousguys had...

Considering that this began a sentence as a direct followup to my text,
kindly be careful about who you're including in "yousguys." I grew up
with a shooting range in the basement, my BS degree is from the
University of Wyoming, and the only thing I could see out my back window
for some years there was scrub grass, miniature cactus, and mountains.

"Jim" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:47F55E26.BACE7F73@bellsouth.net...
> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>>
>> >> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.
>> >
>> > That is a problem when people arrive and demand that circumstances
>> > change to their advantage, to the disadvantage of those already there.
>
> that's why I wish yousguys had not been forced to relocate. it was
> yousguys natural tendency to change things to suit yourself that coined
> the phrase "we don't care how you did it back up north."
>
>
>
>> >
>> > The more classic example is for people who move to a subdivision near
>> > an
>> > airport and then complain that the air traffic is too loud. So why did
>> > they move there?
>
> scalawag realtor had access to flight schedules and knew when
> to show the houses???
>
>> >
>> > In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms practice
>> > shouldn't move to rural settings where such practice is common and then
>> > protest the supposed unsafe environment.
>
> before I was shut down, just a few shots and the switch board to
> 911 was overloaded by panicked newcomers screaming help!
> help! help! help help help!!!
>
>
>>
>> In Soviet Cary, town annexes YOU!
>
> LOL sadly true euphemism, but still pretty funny.
> but we've already covered how the NC govern-0-mites
> have the laws allowing forced annexations.

There you go again....Cary ENVY! It is the only remnant of civilized society
in all of North carolina. Best place to live in all of Cakalak. You know it
Jim, you just won't admit it.

Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

> Jim writes:

>> that's why I wish yousguys had...
>
> Considering that this began a sentence as a direct followup to my text,
> kindly be careful about who you're including in "yousguys."


To jimmee, anyone who doesn't live in his trailor park is a yousguy -
fact be known, jimmee is a yousguy...

AL

"Karl Kleinpaste" <invalid@kleinpaste.org> wrote in message
news:vxkmyoa3fet.fsf@mesquite.kleinpaste.org...
> "NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOSPAM@iserv.net> writes:
>> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.
>
> That is a problem when people arrive and demand that circumstances
> change to their advantage, to the disadvantage of those already there.
>
> The more classic example is for people who move to a subdivision near
> an
> airport and then complain that the air traffic is too loud. So why
> did
> they move there?
>
> In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms practice
> shouldn't move to rural settings where such practice is common and
> then
> protest the supposed unsafe environment.

To an extent I agree with your last paragraph. However, as population
densities increase there comes a point where such activities aren't
going to happen anymore.

Ken
NRA Endowment Member

"NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOSPAM@iserv.net> wrote in
news:O4CdnZlOqMjB5mjanZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@eaglecomputertechnology:

>
> "Karl Kleinpaste" <invalid@kleinpaste.org> wrote in message
> news:vxkmyoa3fet.fsf@mesquite.kleinpaste.org...
>> "NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOSPAM@iserv.net> writes:
>>> Circumstances change and ordinances change with them.
>>
>> That is a problem when people arrive and demand that
>> circumstances change to their advantage, to the
>> disadvantage of those already there.
>>
>> The more classic example is for people who move to a
>> subdivision near an
>> airport and then complain that the air traffic is too
>> loud. So why did
>> they move there?
>>
>> In a similar vein, those who don't like outdoor firearms
>> practice shouldn't move to rural settings where such
>> practice is common and then
>> protest the supposed unsafe environment.
>
> To an extent I agree with your last paragraph. However, as
> population densities increase there comes a point where
> such activities aren't going to happen anymore.

and if you want to keep your outdoor firing range, it's in
your best interests to buy enough land around you to keep it a
safe distance from the neighbors.
we just moved our range because the elderly neighbors sold
their modular (on an acre leased from the town) to a couple
with boys approx. 9 & 12.
the original range had the town land behind it, behind the
neighbors leased land. we figured kids might go play in the
woods behind their house so we moved the range further back on
our land & backed it towards our wetlands.
then discovered the poor kids are seldom allowed outside.
they can't play outside unless a parent is home & out in the
yard, & they can't come over here to play or let my son play
over there unless a parent is home. when the parents are home,
one kid or the other or both are off to some scheduled
activity. so when my 7 year old is out playing, unsupervised,
the 2 boys are watching him out the window. sad really. Boo'd
love to have someone to play with & when these kids hit their
rebellious teens the parents won't know what hit them...
on a vaguely related note, my son had a note sent home from
school. seems the entire class was having a discussion of
"Things I Like To Do When I'm Bored". when it was Boo's turn
he said "I like to shoot targets with my pellet gun". he was
told that wasn't acceptable (why not? it *is* what he does) &
the teacher refused to write it on her list. later Boo was
explaining to Jessica about target shooting & was reprimanded
because he "might scare her". i know Jessica & her parents. he
wasn't going to scare her. if he had, she'd tell him off.
since there are 15 boys in a class of 18 kids & *all* of them
draw guns, bombs, & scenes of carnage, i'm pretty sure that
guns per se aren't a taboo subject so my kid is being singled
out for some other reason.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Jim wrote:
> Ann wrote:
>> http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html
>>
>> "The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C. towns,
>> including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
>> self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his property
>> or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
>> ...
>> The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between the
>> area's rapid growth and its rural past.
>>
>> Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
>> machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought the six
>> acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were farmland
>> and pastures."
>>
>> -------
>> The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following url
>> and
>> (1) Searching on: firearms
>> OR
>> (2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.
>>
>> http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33
>
> whenever a region converts itself into a giant refugee camp
> for the escapees of another regions failed economic policies
> certain concessions are going to have to be made.
>
> in this case we could mention water and the recently imposed
> restrictions concerning its usage. or we could discuss the
> concerns some have for where their children are going to be
> schooled and how temporary trailers are simply unacceptable
> leading up to the mandate some seek to impose concerning
> increasing local property taxation.
>
> some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
> the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>
Most people have never tried possum so they don't know that it tastes like monkey.

--
"When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral
constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you
going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it?
Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party?
Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience
into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?"
- Mark Twain

Elmo wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > Ann wrote:
> >> http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html
> >>
> >> "The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C. towns,
> >> including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
> >> self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his property
> >> or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
> >> ...
> >> The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between the
> >> area's rapid growth and its rural past.
> >>
> >> Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
> >> machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought the six
> >> acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were farmland
> >> and pastures."
> >>
> >> -------
> >> The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following url
> >> and
> >> (1) Searching on: firearms
> >> OR
> >> (2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.
> >>
> >> http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33
> >
> > whenever a region converts itself into a giant refugee camp
> > for the escapees of another regions failed economic policies
> > certain concessions are going to have to be made.
> >
> > in this case we could mention water and the recently imposed
> > restrictions concerning its usage. or we could discuss the
> > concerns some have for where their children are going to be
> > schooled and how temporary trailers are simply unacceptable
> > leading up to the mandate some seek to impose concerning
> > increasing local property taxation.
> >
> > some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
> > the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>
> Most people have never tried possum so they don't know that it tastes like monkey.

that explains why we have no monkeys in NC. <g>

The message <Xns9A764D88C46BBenigmaempirenet@199.125.85.9>
from enigma <enigma@evil.net> contains these words:

they can't come over here to play or let my son play
> over there unless a parent is home.

Good for them. That's an entirely sensible restriction IMHO. I would
never, ever, allow my 7 yr old kids, to play in other peoples houses
unless a suitable adult was there.

What a single kid will get up to unsupervised, alone on his familiar
home patch, is nothing remotely like what mayhem any two + kids will
get up to together. As parents of two kids your neighbours will be well
aware of that. I refused to let my kid shoot tin cans with the
neighbours kid (age 12) when his dad wasn't there. When I explained
this to the (returned) dad, he was furious. His son had broken a sworn
trust to never, ever to open the gun cabinet, load or fire a gun when
his father wasn't there.


> on a vaguely related note, my son had a note sent home from
> school. seems the entire class was having a discussion of
> "Things I Like To Do When I'm Bored". when it was Boo's turn
> he said "I like to shoot targets with my pellet gun". he was
> told that wasn't acceptable (why not? it *is* what he does) &
> the teacher refused to write it on her list.

Did you hear that version direct from the teacher? I'd want to ask
that teacher, exactly what she could not accept, and why.

i'm pretty sure that
> guns per se aren't a taboo subject so my kid is being singled
> out for some other reason.

Possibly, a reason he diplomatically decided not to mention to his
mother :-)
Boys will be boys.

Janet.

Jim wrote:
> Elmo wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote:
>>> Ann wrote:
>>>> http://www.charlotte.com/union/story/564397.html
>>>>
>>>> "The proposed ordinance is modeled on similar laws in other N.C. towns,
>>>> including Marvin and Weddington. It would restrict gun firing to
>>>> self-defense and hunting, provided the hunter is shooting on his property
>>>> or has written permission from the property owner and neighbors.
>>>> ...
>>>> The dispute over Land's range has highlighted the friction between the
>>>> area's rapid growth and its rural past.
>>>>
>>>> Land, 56, has fired at targets with assorted pistols, long guns and
>>>> machine guns on his property since the early 1990s. When he bought the six
>>>> acres off Potter Road in 1991, the surrounding properties were farmland
>>>> and pastures."
>>>>
>>>> -------
>>>> The Weddington, NC ordinance can be found be going to the following url
>>>> and
>>>> (1) Searching on: firearms
>>>> OR
>>>> (2) Select Chapter 34 Article II from list on left side of page.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp?pid=14164&sid=33
>>> whenever a region converts itself into a giant refugee camp
>>> for the escapees of another regions failed economic policies
>>> certain concessions are going to have to be made.
>>>
>>> in this case we could mention water and the recently imposed
>>> restrictions concerning its usage. or we could discuss the
>>> concerns some have for where their children are going to be
>>> schooled and how temporary trailers are simply unacceptable
>>> leading up to the mandate some seek to impose concerning
>>> increasing local property taxation.
>>>
>>> some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
>>> the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>
>> Most people have never tried possum so they don't know that it tastes like monkey.
>
> that explains why we have no monkeys in NC. <g>
And the reason why you see so many flattened possums on the road is because they're always falling off the trucks of the possum rustlers who are smuggling them to Arkansas.

--
They're locking them up today they're throwing away the key
I wonder who it'll be tomorrow you or me.

"Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.john@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303930323947F684F664@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <Xns9A764D88C46BBenigmaempirenet@199.125.85.9>
> from enigma <enigma@evil.net> contains these words:
>
> they can't come over here to play or let my son play
>> over there unless a parent is home.
>
> Good for them. That's an entirely sensible restriction IMHO. I would
> never, ever, allow my 7 yr old kids, to play in other peoples houses
> unless a suitable adult was there.
>
> What a single kid will get up to unsupervised, alone on his familiar
> home patch, is nothing remotely like what mayhem any two + kids will
> get up to together. As parents of two kids your neighbours will be
> well
> aware of that. I refused to let my kid shoot tin cans with the
> neighbours kid (age 12) when his dad wasn't there. When I explained
> this to the (returned) dad, he was furious. His son had broken a sworn
> trust to never, ever to open the gun cabinet, load or fire a gun when
> his father wasn't there.
>
>
>> on a vaguely related note, my son had a note sent home from
>> school. seems the entire class was having a discussion of
>> "Things I Like To Do When I'm Bored". when it was Boo's turn
>> he said "I like to shoot targets with my pellet gun". he was
>> told that wasn't acceptable (why not? it *is* what he does) &
>> the teacher refused to write it on her list.
>
> Did you hear that version direct from the teacher? I'd want to ask
> that teacher, exactly what she could not accept, and why.
>
> i'm pretty sure that
>> guns per se aren't a taboo subject so my kid is being singled
>> out for some other reason.
>
> Possibly, a reason he diplomatically decided not to mention to his
> mother :-)
> Boys will be boys.
>
> Janet.

Excellent and objective comments, Janet.

Ken

Elmo wrote:

> Jim wrote:
> > Elmo wrote:
> >> Jim wrote:
[....]
> >>>
> >>> some might even be willing to express their concerns for how
> >>> the local possum processing plant might be shut down... <g>
> >> Most people have never tried possum so they don't know that it tastes like monkey.
> >
> > that explains why we have no monkeys in NC. <g>
> And the reason why you see so many flattened possums on the road
> is because they're always falling off the trucks of the possum
> rustlers who are smuggling them to Arkansas.

tailgates, I keep telling them shut and secure the tailgate.
its not that we mind sharing with Arkansas, its the wastefulness
that's got to stop. <g>

Jim wrote:
> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:

>> In Soviet Cary, town annexes YOU!
>
> LOL sadly true euphemism, but still pretty funny.
> but we've already covered how the NC govern-0-mites
> have the laws allowing forced annexations.

What about the old guy out on High House Rd, next to Bond Park? Looks
like he's still there.

Elmo wrote:

> And the reason why you see so many flattened possums on the road is
> because they're always falling off the trucks of the possum rustlers who
> are smuggling them to Arkansas.
>

What do they need with possum in Arkansas? They already got armadillos.

"Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid> wrote in message
news:47f6be4c$0$24087$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Elmo wrote:
>
>> And the reason why you see so many flattened possums on the road is
>> because they're always falling off the trucks of the possum rustlers who
>> are smuggling them to Arkansas.
>>
>
> What do they need with possum in Arkansas? They already got armadillos.

Soft shell armadillos.....